modelle/epiCRealism - Natural Sin RC1 VAE

epiCRealism - Natural Sin RC1 VAE

epinikion

8/4/2025

10:55:41 PM

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Empfohlene Prompts

simple explanation of the image

Empfohlene Negative Prompts

cartoon,painting,illustration,(worst quality, low quality, normal quality:2),asian,chinese

Empfohlene Parameter

samplers

SDE, DPM-Sampler, 2M Karras Sampler, Any Sampler, DPM++ 2M SDE Karras, DPM++ SDE, Restart, DPM++ 2M Karras, DPM++ SDE Karras

steps

20 - 30

cfg

2 - 7

resolution

512x768, 768x512, 512x768, 640x960, 768x512

vae

vae-ft-mse-840000-ema-pruned.safetensors (735e4c3a44)

other models

epiCRealism-naturalSin (84a88972f9)

Empfohlene Hires (Hochauflösungs-) Parameter

upscaler

4x_NMKD-Superscale-SP_178000_G

upscale

1.5 - 2

steps

10 - 15

denoising strength

0.3 - 0.35

Tipps

Use simple prompts without extra keywords for best results.

Avoid keywords like 'masterpiece, best quality, 8k, intricate, high detail' or '(extremely detailed face), (extremely detailed hands), (extremely detailed hair)' as they don't improve the output.

Use simple negatives or small negative embeddings for a more realistic look.

Add 'asian, chinese' to negative prompts to avoid Asian ethnicity when undesired.

Light, shadows, and details are excellent without extra keywords.

Avoid using 'cinematic' for a natural effect.

Avoid using '1girl' as it tends to push anime style rendering.

Too much face description often results in worse images.

For fantasy-like outputs, use the 2M Karras Sampler.

No extra noise-offset is needed but optional.

Versions-Highlights

Since i'm low on time i still wanted to release the RC1 of an new aproach.

ordinary faces, natural look, more face diversity
hand fix

VAE included

Recommended simple Negative for average looking output, avoid "optimizer" Embeddings

cartoon, cgi, render, illustration, painting, drawing

seems to be a bit nsfw heavy and very lose on prompt guidance for now

Ersteller-Sponsoren

Useful Extensions: !After Detailer | ControlNet | Agent Scheduler | Ultimate SD Upscale

Natural Sin Final and last of epiCRealism

~~Since SDXL is right around the corner~~, let's say it is the final version for now since I put a lot effort into it and probably cannot do much more.

I tried to refine the understanding of the Prompts, Hands and of course the Realism.
Let's see what you guys can do with it.

Thanks to @drawaline for the in-depth review, so i'd like to give some advices to use this model.
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Advices

use simple prompts
no need to use keywords like "masterpiece, best quality, 8k, intricate, high detail" or "(extremely detailed face), (extremely detailed hands), (extremely detailed hair)" since it doesn't produce appreciable change
use simple negatives or small negative embeddings. gives most realistic look (check samples to get an idea of negatives i used)
add "asian, chinese" to negative if you're looking for ethnicities other than Asian
Light, shadows, and details are excellent without extra keywords
If you're looking for a natural effect, avoid "cinematic"
avoid using "1girl" since it pushes things to render/anime style
to much description of the face will turn out bad mostly
for a more fantasy like output use 2M Karras Sampler
no extra noise-offset needed, but u can if you like to 😉

How to use?

Prompt: simple explanation of the image (try first without extra keywords)
Negative: "cartoon, painting, illustration, (worst quality, low quality, normal quality:2)"
Steps: >20 (if image has errors or artefacts use higher Steps)
CFG Scale: 5 (higher config scale can lose realism, depends on prompt, sampler and Steps)
Sampler: Any Sampler (SDE, DPM-Sampler will result in more realism)
Size: 512x768 or 768x512
Hires upscaler: 4x_NMKD-Superscale-SP_178000_G (Denoising: 0.35, Upscale: 2x)